Curse

Iuris · Aug 29, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

There are games intended for people who like games like that. EVE online, for example. But GW's EULA is aimed at establishing an honest cooperative environment. So no, it's NOT right to take advantage of anyone and similar. If you spam WTB diamond @ 10k, you better be willing to pay that price.

hubin_at · Aug 29, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I thought the maximum amount of gold a character can carry is 100k? How is he going to trade 100 diamonds at 5k each?

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 29, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Iuris

There are games intended for people who like games like that. EVE online, for example. But GW's EULA is aimed at establishing an honest cooperative environment. So no, it's NOT right to take advantage of anyone and similar. If you spam WTB diamond @ 10k, you better be willing to pay that price.

Ah I see it now support is swamped with a zillion claims, This guy said he was going to buy <insert item> at <insert price>. But now he claims he isn't/Doesn't want it/ or already got one! Ban him! ZOD demands it!

Error 107: You have been banned for not accepting a trade, your account has been forzen, Anet does not support traders of false claims. You can not appeal this ban!

I'm going off to Spam WTB Sanity 100k, And yet never accept any trade offers mawahahahaha

Darkobra · Aug 29, 2007, 12:37 PM // 12:37

I love threads like this. It makes the idiots come out to play and show their morals. I'm going to leave it at that. Only a few intelligent people who know me will know what I'm referring to. The rest of you? Well, let's just say I'm assuming the person/s in question will be getting VERY paranoid around now and try to defend themselves. More entertainment for me.

MithranArkanere · Aug 29, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Oh... millions of people decide prices all over the world... and he thinks he can change it scamming people in ONE outposts? XDDDDD.

He's scamming himself, XD.

Mournblade · Aug 29, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Islands of reason in a sea of madness. Thanks OP for the heads up. I saw that guy (or someone with a similar ploy) yesterday and wondered what the hell he was thinking...

dunky_g · Aug 29, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

that whole 'lets ban people because they say they want to buy something then dont when i offer them it' thing makes me laugh! Imaging if you put WTB Wroths Icon, 10k. Then 10 people Wisp you offering you it, your not going to buy them all because all those people offered them to you, but no, you best do or some people my try and BAN you?!

what the Funk?!

Malice Black · Aug 29, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

That isn't scamming, just preying on dumb/ignorant people.

Mordakai · Aug 29, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

OK, first off, what kinda "noob" is going to have the cash to buy 100 Diamonds, even if they were only 1k a piece?

I'd like to know if this guy has successfully gotten anyone to buy Diamonds.

Chthon · Aug 29, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

that whole 'lets ban people because they say they want to buy something then dont when i offer them it' thing makes me laugh! Imaging if you put WTB Wroths Icon, 10k. Then 10 people Wisp you offering you it, your not going to buy them all because all those people offered them to you, but no, you best do or some people my try and BAN you?!

what the Funk?!

The situation you describe here is not a scam. And no one here has said that it is. That scenario originated as words Roshi_ikkyu put into Iuris's mouth so that he would have a straw man to argue against in defense of the indefensible. Yet, neither Iuris nor anyone else ever argued for that position.

There is a world of difference between (1) offering to buy something with the true intent to actually buy it from the first person who responds with the right item at the specified price, and then getting more responses than you need, or even changing your mind, and (2) offering to buy something when you NEVER had any intent to do so. It is the difference between truth and lies. That's why one is a scam and the other is not.

The heart of every scam is a lie. When you want to know, "is this a scam?" search for the lie. Search for the words or deliberate implications uttered by one who at that moment knows them to be false. If the liar walks away from the deal richer than they came in, because of the lie, it is a scam.

Here, we have a scam because we have a lie. "Want to buy diamonds" was a lie because, at the very moment he said it, this person knew that he, in fact, did not want to buy diamonds. Not even one. He never had any intent to do so. He lied.
And, had his lie worked, he would have walked away richer for it. Thus, this was a scam.

Burst Cancel · Aug 29, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. There's no point arguing morality here, because the truly moral would never be affected by this 'scam'. Even if this scam successfully produced the effect intended by the scammer (the increases of prices at the trader), the 'victim' of the scam is, in point of fact, merely a victim of their own greed and immortality. In order to be scammed by this scheme, you would necessarily intend to scam the person advertising to buy. Neither the 'scammer' nor the 'victim' is innocent; furthermore, neither is more or less moral than the other, as their thinking is identical.

Seissor · Aug 29, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by korcan

anyone that has half a brain and isnt overly greedy would of sold ALL of their diamonds to the trader when prices spiked to around 8k before the preview event.

i made a nice little profit off of it

i bought sapphires.rubbies before NF for 4k a piece. When they hit 8k I sold them. 3 weeks later they were goin for 14k a pop at the trader.

Since this weekend didn't showcase enough for us to know if Diamonds are used its a little too early to dump them.

Chthon · Aug 29, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. There's no point arguing morality here, because the truly moral would never be affected by this 'scam'. Even if this scam successfully produced the effect intended by the scammer (the increases of prices at the trader), the 'victim' of the scam is, in point of fact, merely a victim of their own greed and immortality. In order to be scammed by this scheme, you would necessarily intend to scam the person advertising to buy. Neither the 'scammer' nor the 'victim' is innocent; furthermore, neither is more or less moral than the other, as their thinking is identical.

As they say, two wrongs don't make a right. The fact that the victim intended to do wrong also does not make the scammer's actions any less wrongful. It's not right to scam anyone. Ever. Not even those who would scam you. Frankly, it disturbs me to see how many people seem to think that another's bad intent gives them an excuse to act just as badly. (That last comment is not directed at you personally, Burst Cancel.)